My reviews for GFS have been moved to “The Firearm Blog”
Hello all I wanted to announce I will be writing gun reviews weekly for the online gun shop and accessories dealer Guns for Sale.com. These reviews will be posted from now on at “The Firearm Blog”—link above:-) I will still post on Gunners Journal.
My ethics that apply to the blog will be in place as always so the reviews you read on Guns for Sale.com will be 100% correct and honest to the best of my ability.
Your questions and comments can be posted on their website and I will respond as quickly as possible as has always been the case here. They are good folks and I encourage you to look over the guns they stock at very fair prices.
The first article should be out in the next week or so.
October 14, 2008
Sig P6 German Polizei Import
Photo Courtesy of Hi Powers and Handguns
As many of you know the German Police or Polizei have switched to the H&K line of handguns. All of the old Sig P6’s, or as we know them here the Sig 225, have been imported by Century International for sale in the USA. Conditions on these guns varies from good to very good. Most have not been shot very much and most wear is from holster carry. Of course this is true whether it’s an American trade in or a German trade in. You can certainly get a fantastic bargain on this particular pistol. The Sig P6 is imported for sale in the standard blue Sig case with two magazines supplied. Most dealers who carry these fine pistols sell out of them as fast as they get them in. It’s no wonder! Where else can you purchase Sig quality for around $300 to $350! This model Sig is essentially a Sig 226 in compact form using a single stack mag configuration with the mag holding eight rounds of 9mm. I owned the American version P225 back in the mid 1980’s and found it to be a very fine pistol with outstanding accuracy. It also is thinner than most compact pistols such as the Glock and conceals very well. I know many shooters feel that you should at least have 13 or more rounds of 9mm to be considered well armed. I take issue with this view. I feel that if the first mag doesn’t get you out of trouble and the situation resolved your are most likely in deep trouble!
Sig With Cor-Bon DPX Ammo
I hadn’t seen any of these pistols in any of the local gunshops until today. Most have been mail order only. I stopped at a gunshop on the way home just to look around for a few minutes and noticed what was obviously a trade in P6. They had about a dozen of these a week or so ago and were down to only three left. I asked to see all three so I could compare condition, trigger pull etc and pick the best of the group. This particular example showed very little holster wear and from the barrel condition had been shot very little. As is common with most Sigs the trigger pull is a bit heavy at first and eases up as the trigger comes back. This one had a bit better than average trigger and was very tight all around again indicating very little use. It was marked “Made in Germany” with “P6″ on the opposite side. The price on this one was $350. That is one heck of a deal for any Sig! If you can’t find one at a local dealer the place to mail order one to be sent to your FFL is Centerfire Systems. You do have to keep checking with them often since they sell out as fast as they come in. Here is the link directly to the Sig . http://www.centerfiresystems.com/SIG-225.aspx
The P6 is a comfortable pistol to carry at a shade over 28oz. with a 3.9 inch barrel. Any holster that fits a Sig 226 will fit this pistol. A great holster would be the Galco Yaqui Slide for a 226. I’m sure if you contact Erik Little at Rafter L Gunleather he can make a holster for you. This man can really make a quality holster in fact the best there is available anywhere! http://gunner777.wordpress.com/rafter-l-gunleather-by-erik-little/
On the way home is a public range so after a quick stop at Wal-Mart for some white box 9mm I stopped and fired about 50 rounds. It shoots just as well as I remember. Having shot the 1911 so much it will take a bit of time to become accustomed to the Sig trigger again but that’s really no big deal. I used a shooting C target in the 5 inch size. With other shooters on the line I couldn’t move into my usual range evaluation distances so all rounds were from the 25 yard line. Even with my struggling a bit to get used to the trigger again and people shooting AR’s on both sides of me making me dodge brass all rounds went into that 5 inch target no problem at all. In fact three rounds went right through the red bullseye:-) These are just very accurate pistols period and always have been regardless of model or frame size. I’ll shoot some evaluation rounds when I get an opportunity and post the results here. This pistol is a real bargain and worth looking for one especially at these prices.
I did pick some fresh carry ammo that I have heard nothing but good about. It’s the Cor-Bon DPX which uses the Barnes solid copper bullet with a very deep hollowpoint. This is a 115 grn. +P round at 1250 fps and 399 ft/lbs of energy. In testing this round retains 100% of it weight and expands to twice the bullets original size. It also expands every time according to those who have done extensive testing. They have taken this round and fired it into two layers of clothing and a leather jacket with complete penetration and full expansion in the ballistic media behind the clothing materials. They have also tested it against auto glass and doors and had complete penetration on these materials with full expansion coming out the other side and still retained almost 100% bullet weight. That’s pretty amazing but Barnes is known for making very effective bullets and most folks know that Cor-Bon is usually on the cutting edge of ammo design. I did some measuring which is rather revealing. The cavity of the hollowpint is very deep at 3/8th of an inch with the mouth of the cavity at 1/4 inch wide! That is one mean looking round looking at it head on. Several law enforcement agencies have gone to this round with very effective real world one shot stops in 9mm and 40 caliber. This may very well be my carry load in all calibers if the results continue as time goes on and more police shooting results come in. Between the solid copper bullet and high speed of the round I would expect no less. One other note- there have been no recorded instances of over penetration in real world shootings.
Cor-Bon DPX “Deep Penetrating”
Hopefully I’ll be able to post some additional evaluations in the next week or so and get them posted. Bottom line is if you can acquire one of these Sigs it’s a real bargain you won’t be sorry you purchased!
One other thing. I have to apologize for the poor picture quality this time. I had to use the picture capability of our video camera which doesn’t take the best pictures.
Safe shooting and as always any questions or comments are welcome.
I went to the range today to shoot my 200th round of ammo through this fine little gun. The picture above was fired at 10 yards. I drew and fired and fast as I could realign the sights. Total of eight rounds with some going into the same hole. I mentioned how accurate these pistols are as are all Sigs I’ve ever shot and I’ve shot about everyone they make except for the latest P250. The ammo was the Cor-Bon DPX 115 Grn.+P with the Barnes solid copper bullet mentioned above. You can get a good feel for the group size by comparing it to the magazine size. I have shot Remington 115 grn, Cor-Bon, Winchester, CCI and Remington 124 grain and finally Hornady TAP. All fed without a hitch and honestly I expected nothing else. Since the early 1980’s when I shot my first Sig 220 European I’ve never had a malfunction and that’s saying a lot. It’s the only brand I’ve ever shot that has never malfunctioned!
I do intend to replace the trigger spring with a lighter weight Wolff spring as I did on my H&K USP Compact. It should lighten the double action trigger pull and still provide reliable ignition. I’ll let everyone know how it works when I make the change. Replacement is simple by removing the grips which exposes the spring. Replacement should take maybe 10 minutes if that.
This target is from 10 yards to 25 yards firing as you would practice for a critical situation. In other words pretty fast. There were a total of 50 rounds fired using Winchester white box.It’s unique for me but with the first long double action trigger pull I usually hit where I aim. That just a Sig and the way I shoot I suppose. The rounds that are a little off are single action shots from 25 yards. They are still in the the 8 inch target though so I’m pretty pleased. No malfunctions as usual even when I mixed various brand hollowpoints in one magazine.
Thanks to all for reading the blog!
The Sig P6 Notched Hammer
Many people have been very curious about why these pistols have a notched hammer myself included. I spent a great deal of time searching the internet looking for photos of Police carrying the Sig. I found a grand total of two. Between the two photos it appears there is a piece of material that attaches to the notch in the hammer then to the trigger guard or holster itself. It appears that maybe this is so that if the officer fires his weapon the material breaks. Or if the weapon is drawn the material breaks. I suppose this is one way of keeping track of an officers gun handling. The only problem is if that is indeed the case the material would have to be very flimsy to not interfere with drawing and firing unless it is attached to the holster.. Accidental breakage would seem to me to be very easy but then the holster in one picture has a flap. The flap was open in the picture. I tend to lean toward the weapon being attached to the holster. If anyone has information to the contrary please let me know.
Sig P6 Grips from Marschal Grips at http://www.marschalgrips.com